Now for something completely different!

John Dove is recorded in the Glasgow 1838/1839 Post Office Trade Directory

as a Basket Maker at 3 Charlotte Lane.

Charlotte Lane ran between St. Andrew’s Square and London Road.

The only John Dove found on the 1841 Census (transcriptions) in the immediate area was as follows:

Living at St. Andrews Square, Glasgow

Donald Dove, age 33 Basket Maker, born c1808, Lanarkshire

Isabel Dove, age 31, born c1810, Lanarkshire

John Dove, age 5, born c1836, Lanarkshire

Janet  Dove, age 1, born c1840, Lanarkshire

The above Donald Dove married Isobel Anderson at Glasgow

On 26^th August 1831 (IGI)

By 1851, the family had grown

Donald Dove, Head, age 42 Basket Maker, born c1809, Glasgow

Isabella Dove, Wife, age 40, born c1811, Glasgow

John Dove, Son, age 14, Basket Maker, born c1837, Glasgow

Janet  Dove, Daughter, age 11, Scholar, born c1840, Glasgow

James Dove, Son, age 7, Scholar, born c1844, Glasgow

Donald Dove, Son, age 9, born c1842, Glasgow

Mary Dove, Daughter, age 3, born c1848, Glasgow

Thomas Dove, Son, age 1, born c1850, Glasgow

1861 Census

Donald Dove, Head, age 54, Basket Maker, born c1807, Glasgow

Isabel Dove, Wife, age 52, born c1809, Glasgow

John Dove, Son, age 24, Basket Maker, born c1837, Glasgow

Janet  Dove, Daughter, age 21, Milliner, born c1840, Glasgow

Donald Dove, Son, age 20, , born c1843, Glasgow

James Dove, Son, age 18, Basket Maker, born c1845, Glasgow

Mary Dove, Daughter, age 14, Scholar, born c1847, Glasgow

Thomas Dove, Son, age 11, Scholar, born c1850, Glasgow

The above listings are from the 1863 Glasgow Post Office Directory and quite clearly show

that there was a Donald AND a John Dove, both involved in the basket trade in one way

or another, so they may have been related although no research had been carried out

to either prove or disprove this.

As can be seen in the above listing from the 1876/87 Post Office Directory,

it appears that father and son, John Dove Senior and Junior included into their wares

‘Perambulators’

John Dove junior married Ann (or Annie) Scaling c1865 and by 1881 were living

at Rosslyn Terrace, Nithsdale Road, Glasgow

John Dove, Head, age 46, Basket & Perambulator Manufacturer

(employing 6 men, 3 boys & 5 girls), born c1835, Glasgow

Annie Dove, Wife, age 38, born c1843, England

Donald Dove, Son, age 15, Scholar, born c1866, Glasgow

Sarah Dove, Daughter, age 15, Scholar, born c1866, Glasgow

William Dove, Son, age 13, Scholar, born c1868,Glasgow

Isabella Anderson Dove, Daughter, age 10, Scholar, born c1871, Glasgow

John Dove, Son, age 7, Scholar, born c1874, Glasgow

Annie Dove, Daughter, age 3, born c1878, Glasgow

His younger brother James had also married and in 1881

was living at 60 Abbotsford Place, Glasgow.

James Dove, Head, age 38, Basket & Perambulator Manufacturer

(employing 6 men, 3 boys & 5 girls), born c1843, Glasgow

Jessie Dove, Wife, age 28, born c1853, Glasgow

Isabella Dove*, Daughter, age 1, born c1880, Glasgow

*Isabella Dove is subsequently found living with aunts and uncles

in 1891 and 1901, perhaps her parents both died young.

Also in 1881, the remainder of John’s siblings are found living at

Monteith Row, Glasgow – all appear unmarried.

Janet L. Dove, Head, age 41, Income from Property, born c1840, Glasgow

Donald Dove, Brother, age 38, Income from Property, born c1843, Glasgow

Mary L. Dove, Sister, age 34, Income from Property, born c1847, Glasgow

Thomas A. Dove, Brother, age 31, Basket Manufacturer, born c1850, Glasgow

In almost every Glasgow Post Office Directory, one or more members of the Dove Family

placed adverts of one kind or another, but prior to 1883, most of them had been half

or quarter pages consisting mainly of text but from 1883 onwards,

perambulators (or prams to most people) seem to play a large part of their business

as the ad’s now went to full page size.

The following adverts show how styles changed over a 30 year span.

1883-1885

1886-1887

1887-1888

1888-1889

1889 - 1892

By 1891, John Dove Junior and family had moved to 27 Newark Drive,

Pollokshields, Glasgow

John Dove, Head, age 53, Basket & Perambulator Manufacturer,

born c1838, Glasgow

Annie Dove, Wife, age 48, born c1842, England

Sarah Dove, Daughter, age 25, born c1866, Glasgow

William S. Dove, Son, age 23, Basket & Perambulator Manufacturer,

born c1868,Glasgow

Isa. A. Dove, Daughter, age 20, born c1871, Glasgow

John Dove, Son, age 17, Scholar, born c1874, Glasgow

Annie S. Dove, Daughter, age 13, Scholar, born c1878, Glasgow

His siblings were still living at Monteith Row, alongside Glasgow Green

Janet L. Dove, Head, age 51, Living on Private Means, born c1840, Glasgow

Donald Dove, Brother, age 49, Annuitant, born c1842, Glasgow

Mary L. Dove, Sister, age 44, Living on Private Means, born c1847, Glasgow

Thomas A. Dove, Brother, age 41, Basket Manufacturer, born c1850, Glasgow

Isabel A. Dove, Niece, age 11, born c1880, Glasgow

1892-1893

1895-1896

1896 - 1900

John Dove Junior and family are found 10 years later at the same address,

27 Newark Drive Pollokshields

John Dove, Head, age 65, Basket & Perambulator Manufacturer, born c1836, Glasgow

Anne Dove, Wife, age 59, born c1842, England

Donald Dove, Son, age 35, Basket & Perambulator Manufacturer, born c1866, Glasgow

Sarah Dove, Daughter, age 35, born c1866, Glasgow

William S. Dove, Son, age 33, Basket & Perambulator Manufacturer,

born c1868,Glasgow

John Dove Jnr., Son, age 27, Basket & Perambulator Manufacturer,

born c1874, Glasgow

Annie S. Dove, Daughter, age 23, born c1878, Glasgow

His siblings had all moved to Milngavie and were found living at

‘Willowbel’ on Baldernock Road.

Janet Livingstone Dove, Head, age 58, Annuitant, born c1843, Glasgow

Donald Dove, Brother, age 56, born c1845, Glasgow

Mary Livingstone Dove, Sister, age 51, born c1850, Glasgow

Thomas Anderson Dove, Brother, age 49, Basket Manufacturer, born c1852, Glasgow

Isabel Anderson Dove, Niece, age 21, Annuitant, born c1880, Glasgow

The above article was found in the Edinburgh Gazette

November 24^th 1903, Page 1283

1913-1914

The Dove ‘extended’ family owned quite an amount of property

(as listed on the 1913/14 Valuation Roll)

St. Andrew’s Square:

Nos. 14 & 15 – Warehouse

No. 16 – House (containing 17 separate rented properties)

Nos. 17 & 18 – Store

Nos. 19 & 20 – Warehouse

No. 35 – Stable

No. 41 – Warehouse

St. Andrew’s Street:

No. 31 – Warehouse

Charlotte Lane:

No. 7 – Store

No. 9 - Ree (?)

No. 27 – Store

No. 28 – Store & House (containing 13 separate rented properties)

The Glasgow Herald of 30^th December 1944 carries a ‘Death’ Notice for a Donald Dove

In the same issue, his Obituary:

There would seem little doubt that each and every one of the Doves were related.

Sorting out who was who, who did what, who stayed where .....

just might be a project for the future!

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Needle in a Haystack?

A Search for Sisters

Information had come from family sources which were based on handed-down verbal descriptions that Annie Edgar, who died around 1930, was buried in a cemetery in the Glasgow area.

The description was that it was thought to be near Hogganfield Loch and

that there was a Jewish Section in the cemetery.

The only place matching that description had to be Riddrie Park.

Annie Edgar had married, but who she married was unknown.

She had an elder sister Isabel whom had died a few years earlier – sometime around 1925.

It was unknown whether Isabel had married.

Their parents were thought to be David and Mary Edgar.

Not much to go on!

However, the clue that narrowed things down, was the fact that the Jewish section is at the

extreme west end of the cemetery and that the nearest sections to this

might be either ‘A’ or ‘B’ so either of these could be where the sisters were laid to rest.

A large portion of Section A is cordoned off as it sits above old mine-workings

and the whole area is at risk of subsidence. The remaining area still accessible, but

after a thorough search, no existing stone bearing the surname Edgar was found.

On to Section B!

Again, every existing stone was scrutinized – but still nothing.

Section B

Just at the point of admitting defeat, the edge of a stone - just visible – almost

entirely engulfed by a huge rhododendron bush appeared.

After attempting to avoid a million bumble-bees buzzing around ……

Lo and behold – TWO EDGAR SISTERS!!!

Inscription:

Fleming

Sacred to the memory of my dear wife NAN EDGAR

Who died 9^th March 1930 aged 31 years

ISABELL EDGAR her sister died 3^rd June 1924 aged 31 years

The details didn’t match exactly, but as everything else was a bit vague,

 it HAD to be them!

Isobel’s name had changed slightly in spelling and Annie had become Nan, but most importantly,

the inscription revealed Annie’s married name of Fleming.

A search for a marriage revealed the full details:

On the 24^th December 1920, at 10 Queen Margaret Crescent, Glasgow

Robert Fleming, Commercial Traveller, age 24

Son of John Fleming, Farmer and Annie Fleming nee Ferguson

and

Annie Robina Porteous Edgar, age 22

Daughter of David Edgar, Commercial Traveller and Mary Edgar nee McFarlane

The couple both listed their place of residence as 15 Arlington Street, Glasgow

Their witnesses were David Edgar and Isabella Edgar

A subsequent search for Annie’s death verified that this was the same person.

Annie and her family are found on the 1901 Census as follows:

Living at 14 Cathedral Street, Glasgow

David Edgar, Head, age 43, Storeman, South Knapdale, Argyll

Mary Edgar, wife, age 36, Glasgow

David Edgar, son, age 16, Scholar, Glasgow

Isabella Edgar, daughter, age 9,  England

Annie R. Edgar, daughter, age 2, Glasgow

The moral of the story?

A needle CAN be found in a haystack!!

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